Wishlist: Easier pattern chaining

It's a bit slow to set up pattern chaining with the knobs... Setting chaining parameters could be easier if the buttons were used to set number of repeats and the next pattern.  I'm thinking it could work something like this:

- Press and hold shift.  Selected pattern is indicated by flashing LED.

- Keep holding shift.  If you want to select a different pattern, press another pattern button.  New pattern selection is indicated by flashing LED.

- If you want to set chaining using the knobs, go ahead and do that.

- If you want to use the buttons, then keep holding shift, and press one of the step button to set the number of repeats (0-15).

- Once you've pressed one of the step buttons, the pattern buttons don't select the active pattern anymore, now they're used to select the next pattern in the chain. 

- Then press one of the pattern buttons to select the next pattern (maybe also have the option to press several pattern buttons simultaneously to select a range, or maybe just use the knob if you want a range).

- If you change your mind and want a different pattern next or a different number of repeats, press another pattern or step button.

- Selections are shown on the LCD as you select them.

- Release shift.

Seems like having the option to use the buttons would make pattern chaining on the fly a lot easier and faster.

Comments

  • sounds good. another idea I had would be to use the pattern buttons to enter the desired sequence:
    - hold shift
    - selecting the already flashing step starts chain selection
    - while holding shift enter the pattern sequence you like. for example 1, 1, 1, 3, 1, 1, 4, 5
    - release shift
  • - while holding shift enter the pattern sequence you like. for example 1, 1, 1, 3, 1, 1, 4, 5
    - release shift
    Yes! Like the chain function on the xoxbox. Very easy to use!
  • edited October 2013
    sounds good. another idea I had would be to use the pattern buttons to enter the desired sequence:
    - hold shift
    - selecting the already flashing step starts chain selection
    - while holding shift enter the pattern sequence you like. for example 1, 1, 1, 3, 1, 1, 4, 5
    - release shift
    Yeah, that would work better actually - you wouldn't have to chain each pattern individually...  That would also have the advantage of leaving shift+step buttons available for other functions.
  • Hello.

    I think that a new pattern chaining system should give the opportunity to create sequences like 1,2,1,3. Because I can't see how this is possible with the present knob/repeat system.
  • yes, this is a great idea!
  • Julian's idea would mean that the current onscreen repeat/next system wouldn't work anymore, since each pattern could be followed by different patterns at different places in the sequence...  So, maybe when shift is pressed, the sequence could be shown onscreen like "112511421178...", and you could also edit the sequence by moving the cursor to any place in the sequence, and using the knob to edit the pattern number at that space - this could allow you to select a range as well. 
  • Another option would be to have more chaining slots, where the ones to the right are checked first. (I don't know how you managed the counter for I can't read/write code, I just program a bit in MaxMSP. You could set up this behaviour with a counter which doesn't reset itself and a trigger based on a modulo operation)

    An Example:

    in Pattern 1:
    rep: 1 p2 rep: 3 p3 rep: 7 p4 (pattern 2, 3 and 4 would direct to p1)
    would be: //: 1 2 1 3 1 2 1 4 ://
    lets say this would be our verse and we would like to add a chorus this would be very easy:

    in pattern 4:
    rep: 2 p5
    this would be:
    1 2 1 3 1 2 1 4 1 2 1 3 1 2 1 4 5

    you could generate complex and long structures without having to press as much buttons. It works like sheet music with repeats. And you could add an option to stop the seq. The button pressing would work for me as well, but for 60 measures you would have to press 60 buttons.
    Combined with this feature request http://forum.sonic-potions.com/discussion/322/the-short-long-pattern#Item_6 it would be my sequncing dream. You could start with a one bar loop, extend it to two or four bars and chain it with ease in song structures while the seq is playing. I would love that.
  • Wow, that last suggestion kind of boggles my mind...

    Since it seems like we were at a happy design for this some months ago, I wonder why it has yet to get integrated into a firmware?
  • bump...
  • sounds good. another idea I had would be to use the pattern buttons to enter the desired sequence:
    - hold shift
    - selecting the already flashing step starts chain selection
    - while holding shift enter the pattern sequence you like. for example 1, 1, 1, 3, 1, 1, 4, 5
    - release shift
    This solution sounds great, i'd really appreciate it.
  • so do i, go men, go!
    :-))
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